tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704342683198287523.post1134168959813836308..comments2023-06-16T10:55:07.460+01:00Comments on ASLEF shrugged: Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704342683198287523.post-37491970331055392142014-11-13T07:54:24.788+00:002014-11-13T07:54:24.788+00:00You could have contacted a member of forum staff t...You could have contacted a member of forum staff to express your concerns rather than deleting yourself in protest.<br /><br />We are all volunteers and can't always be around 24/7 to police the place - had you raised the issue with us we could have had an opportunity to take action rather than appearing to condone something that you clearly found offensive.<br /><br />We'd be happy to welcome you back and discuss the issue with the thread in question to see if we can find a satisfactory way forward - we can't do that if you don't talk to us though!!<br /><br />Colin, on behalf of the DD forum staff.Colin Thornehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14200422876953038327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704342683198287523.post-80758156744855642302014-10-30T02:28:17.078+00:002014-10-30T02:28:17.078+00:00I deleted myself over the toxic comments on the su...I deleted myself over the toxic comments on the subject of women only cars. While I will admit that they are unpractical I was disgusted with the sexist shite spewed forth without any restraint from the mods and if that is acceptable on District Dave's then I really did not want to be connected with that forum.ASLEF shruggedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15188861221455845621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704342683198287523.post-42420884343235230892014-10-25T18:49:44.725+01:002014-10-25T18:49:44.725+01:00Hi shrugged, I notice you deleted yourself from D...Hi shrugged, I notice you deleted yourself from Dave's forum. I did enjoy our convo's on the New driverless trains and Bakerloo extension. A lot of members there are fantasists so it was a welcome change talking with a fellow driver who has worked at the coalface. I'll bookmark your blog and may well chip in on occasion. <br />JimJimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704342683198287523.post-41256581766675029072014-10-22T12:32:30.695+01:002014-10-22T12:32:30.695+01:00The big difference is that on Stations you have va...The big difference is that on Stations you have various grades all trained to different levels on different salaries, as far as I understand with Fit for the Future those who are downgraded will have their salaries protected. We only have one grade, Train Operator, we are all trained to the same level and all paid the same regardless of how long you've worked or what line you are working on. You can’t have new recruits operating trains without the full training so why should they be paid less?<br /><br />From what I heard the mainline TOCs didn’t want to continue the reciprocal agreement whereby we got Priv tickets and their staff got free travel on the Tube. LU weren’t prepared to pay the TOCs what they wanted to issue new staff with Priv so anyone who joined after 1997 only got free travel on Tube, buses and DLR (London Overground was still Silverlink Metro back then). <br /><br />Back when I was a station assistant staff working for the mainline TOCs certainly didn’t get free travel on the Tube. The unions didn’t have much say in the matter and TfL had absolutely no say at all because it didn’t exist at the time. I remember reading that the Met and BTP both pay TfL and the TOCs for the free travel their staff get, some Tory on the GLA was asking how much could be saved off the policing budget if it was withdrawn.<br /><br />I go to the Star about once a monthASLEF shruggedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15188861221455845621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704342683198287523.post-53336083243037569102014-10-22T11:54:40.428+01:002014-10-22T11:54:40.428+01:00There will be two-tier salaries under Fit for Futu...There will be two-tier salaries under Fit for Future with some station staff on protected money and others in the same grade not. Post-BR privatisation the Priv Card disappeared but neither management or the TUs at the time fought for the rights of subsequent staff - it didn't affect them - they all had Privs already! ATOC later brought out its own card but nobody in LU lobbied to join the scheme. Ah, but LU is not a TOC some will say, but neither is the BTP yet its officers get them. It's cynical but TFL are playing the "I'm all right Jack" card and so far it's working. How many T/Ops supported the Fit for Future strikes? Yet we know this a template, a trial, for similar plans on trains and in Service Control. I'm in the later and at one point there was nearly a £10,000 difference between the top and bottom band of some grades. Was this fair? No. Could the people at the bottom eventually reach the top? No. And did any of the three TUs with negotiating rights do anything about it? No. [PS - Been in the Star of Bethnal Green lately?]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704342683198287523.post-4289043748584004912014-10-22T10:08:20.997+01:002014-10-22T10:08:20.997+01:00The unions will never agree to staff in the same g...The unions will never agree to staff in the same grade being paid different salaries, if they train as a TOp then they should get a TOps money. The Priv ticket issue was caused by the privatisation of BR, the TOCs withdrew from the reciprocal agreement where mainline staff got free travel on the Tube and Tube staff got cheap travel on the mainline so there’s no real comparison between the two issues.ASLEF shruggedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15188861221455845621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704342683198287523.post-80410045544033848902014-10-21T19:01:36.692+01:002014-10-21T19:01:36.692+01:00I think the one thing that shan't repeat itsel...I think the one thing that shan't repeat itself is that LU won’t allow displaced staff to move to a depot of their choice. LU assumed most ex-ELL drivers would choose Elephant & Castle or North Greenwich, esp. as the TUs had opposed the close of New Cross LU depot partly because of the lack of train staff locations in south east London. The fact that the majority elected to go to Leytonstone, north of the river, causing a staff overload, caught them by surprise and it'll be a case of "once bitten...." next time. I suspect also that as lines get nearer to NoPo new drivers will be coming on separate contracts and lower pay. Whether the TUs make a fight about this "two tier" situation remains to be seen, they certainly didn’t when it came to Privilege Ticket cards.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com