tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704342683198287523.post2967264777013575503..comments2023-06-16T10:55:07.460+01:00Comments on ASLEF shrugged: Julian Assange - an opinion (non-train related)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704342683198287523.post-8882803870798169122012-08-22T13:54:04.266+01:002012-08-22T13:54:04.266+01:00You are probably right, but I still think it is an...You are probably right, but I still think it is an odd thing to do. And if JA moves to Ecuador we may never know the true reason behind their actions. A trial where the one accused is not attending the trial may be used when the verdict is estimated to be shorter than 3 months in jail, which is obviously not applicable in this case.A swedenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704342683198287523.post-30100068055713040692012-08-22T12:20:23.464+01:002012-08-22T12:20:23.464+01:00Well... I've not had the opportunity to make a...Well... I've not had the opportunity to make any; that's where the plan falls down of course.<br /><br />I'd not considered the motive of preserving his "image". If that's what's behind his actions, it sounds like self-delusion, paranoia and a form of narcissistic personality disorder. I've never met the man, and I've seen very little footage of him, but from what I have seen, he does seem a bit creepy.<br />TRThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18037601963025096788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704342683198287523.post-84329665707828477392012-08-22T03:36:40.935+01:002012-08-22T03:36:40.935+01:00Good point. Do you really think that someone out ...Good point. Do you really think that someone out to get Assange would leave such an easily accessible trail? If there was a conspiracy then she wouldn’t even have Twittered, she’d have kept schtum.<br /><br />In Dagenham we have a saying; never bullshit a bullshitter. I’m a grade A bullshitter and this one smells more rural than the whole of Somerset.<br />ASLEF shruggedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15188861221455845621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704342683198287523.post-69071187796893488132012-08-22T03:16:07.666+01:002012-08-22T03:16:07.666+01:00Hi,
I'm a follower of this blog, and as I'...Hi,<br /><br />I'm a follower of this blog, and as I'm also a swede I think I can add a little piece of information to this discussion. <br /><br />I'd like to point out beforehand that as a trial has not been held, there os not "official" version. Just his, hers and the papers versions (as always). <br /><br />As you wrote in your post, Miss A (Anna Ardin) claims certain things happened on Aug 14. Miss A is a blogger and twitter user and there are three posts that are relevant to this discussion. She made one on the 14th and one on the 15th. What is interesting is that she subsequently deleted them hours before she went to the police with her accusations against Julian Assange, which is almost a week after the event. As the Internet never forget anything, her posts were dug up via Googles cache of her blog and saved to http://www.samtycke.nu/doc/AnnaArdin_cache19aug.htm .<br /><br />The translated messages is as follows:<br />Post on Aug 14.:<br />Julian want to go to a crayfish party, anyone have a pair of vacant chairs ('free slots' is perhaps a better phrase?) for this evening or tomorrow?<br /><br />Post on Aug 15.:<br />To sit outside att 2am and barely freeze together with the coolest and smartest people in the world, that's just amazing!<br /><br />She also made one post on Jan 19, 2010 (ie before the event) about "7 steps for legal revenge" (saved here http://www.samtycke.nu/doc/7-stepsrevenge.htm ) which is translated from an english webpage that is no longer availible. The saved page should translate okay-ish in Google Translate.<br /><br />Now, as to who is telling the truth and who isn't, that's for the court to decide. I can't claim to know how a victim in this situation feels (the only reference is a collegue who were saved just in time, so to say), but her behavior seems to me to be a little suspicious. On the other hand, he has not been the least bit accomodating towards the court, which doesn't help his case one bit. If he is guilty then he should be sentenced and go to jail, and if he is not guilty then he should not have to be afraid of the trial. The key is as always: evidence. <br /><br />That said, with our track record for biased judges and outside interests in high profile cases, I don't blame him for seeking asyslum...<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />a swede<br /><br />PS.<br /><br />Regarding our scales on crime: it's easier to use/meassure in some types of crime than others, ie "normal" assault. That said, there is no "minor rape". That's classed as sexual assault or sexual abuse. Here is a link to the police's site on sex crimes (translated by Google) http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.polisen.se%2FUtsatt-for-brott%2FOlika-typer-av-brott%2FSexualbrott%2F<br /><br />I hope it clears up the definitions a bit.<br /><br />DS.A swedenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704342683198287523.post-81290114009757234482012-08-22T03:08:32.309+01:002012-08-22T03:08:32.309+01:00As I discussed with Anon earlier "minor"...As I discussed with Anon earlier "minor" rape is the Swedish legal definition translated into English. In Sweden there are three levels of rape, for want of better translation major, regular and minor. Under UK law he'd probably be charged with sexual assault or less as in both cases the women consenting to sex with a condom would probably exclude him from a rape charge, at least in Sweden they can see the differences. <br /><br />The whole “carried away in the heat of the moment” thing is just a bunch of crap, I’ve stopped mid-shag when told to, any man can. He’s a nasty little sleazebag who is just running from 2- 4 years in a Swedish prison where Big Olaf will not take NO for an answer. I hope he rots in the Ecuador embassy making his pointless little egotistical speeches to a ever diminishing crowd.ASLEF shruggedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15188861221455845621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704342683198287523.post-72325137035715184862012-08-21T21:41:34.813+01:002012-08-21T21:41:34.813+01:00I took exception to your sentence "At worst h...I took exception to your sentence "At worst he’s guilty of minor rape under Swedish law, at best he’s no gentleman." You and I really don't know that, because he has not been tried under Swedish or British law, because he has evaded it. The truth is, as far as we can tell, at best he is a rapist, at worst he is guilty of rape. There is no minor about it. You know women who have experienced it. Please speak to them and don't condone it as him being carried away in the heat of the moment or whatever the excuse is.<br /><br />I, like you I am sure, love Wikipedia and love the fact that they have shoved the horrors of the USA and the UK in our faces. But those women should have their day in court otherwise we are all the worse for it.k8https://www.blogger.com/profile/11787964945830286262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704342683198287523.post-84242711323597954502012-08-21T19:59:56.756+01:002012-08-21T19:59:56.756+01:00K8 - I think there has been some misunderstanding,...K8 - I think there has been some misunderstanding, which comment did you find offensive. I have never considered rape or any other sexual crime to be minor, too many of my female friends have been raped or assaulted for me to ever think of this as a "little infringement". My apologies if anyone thought else thought I meant otherwise, that was never my intention.ASLEF shruggedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15188861221455845621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704342683198287523.post-48591502305030769202012-08-21T19:52:23.047+01:002012-08-21T19:52:23.047+01:00If the two women were trying to set him up I think...If the two women were trying to set him up I think they’d have come up with more serious accusations.<br /><br />If the Swedish government had been trying to set him up then I don’t think they’d have rescinded the first arrest warrant then let him roam around free for five weeks and he would never have got out of the country.<br /><br />If Assange really believed that he was in danger of getting shipped off to the US then he’d have legged it the moment he heard that the rape charge was back on.<br /><br />He just doesn't want to tarnish his image of the noble champion of truth and freedomm with the idea that he's a sleazebag who jumps on women while they're asleep.<br /><br />TRT - Just tell me you don't post those videos onlineASLEF shruggedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15188861221455845621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704342683198287523.post-75965949413690944852012-08-21T19:45:08.938+01:002012-08-21T19:45:08.938+01:00Let me have a go at you as I feel you deserve it o...Let me have a go at you as I feel you deserve it on this one. I have followed your blog for quite a while and find your comments on your passengers quite nice. You obviously treat them well and realise we all make mistakes, get drunk, do silly things, and it seems that you have helped protect some of them in the past. I have liked your blogs for that niceness and I have appreciated your political points of view. <br /><br />I am not the only woman to have been raped in the past, and in the not too distant past by a "friend" - something I am still reeling from. I find your comment really really offensive. None of us know what the "worst" is, because we're not lawyers and we're not the women who were in this situation. But I am disgusted that you side with the people that think this is a little infringement when it is actually, usually or always, a mortifying life-changing experience for millions of woman all over the world. I don't think that most men really have any idea what it is like when you are raped. Please read up on it and find out more, you deserve to be better than this.k8https://www.blogger.com/profile/11787964945830286262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704342683198287523.post-90549136651637842442012-08-21T15:22:49.025+01:002012-08-21T15:22:49.025+01:00I believe our government have, in recent years, co...I believe our government have, in recent years, considered creating a crime called 'bodily trespass' with a lower burden of proof in an attempt to secure more convictions in cases where evidence was insufficient to prove rape. Assange, well, he might be the victim of a political manoeuvring, but if his wikileaks work was spurred by a desire for justice, then he should be willing to stand up and see justice done. This only goes to prove <br /> what I've always said, "The only safe sex is videotaping it." ;-)TRThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18037601963025096788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704342683198287523.post-44457492790583654362012-08-21T11:25:20.433+01:002012-08-21T11:25:20.433+01:00Had those women made a similar complaint at a Brit...Had those women made a similar complaint at a British Police Station I doubt very much whether they’d have received as sympathetic treatment as they did in Sweden. Regardless of the name they give to the offence it shows a more enlightened approach to sexual assaults.ASLEF shruggedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15188861221455845621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704342683198287523.post-66670291238466323652012-08-21T10:45:21.682+01:002012-08-21T10:45:21.682+01:00It probably makes it easier to get into court, if ...It probably makes it easier to get into court, if you just had one set definition of rape then a lot of cases might not meet the criteria and they’d either fail in court or the prosecution would have to go for a lesser charge like sexual molestation. ASLEF shruggedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15188861221455845621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704342683198287523.post-36692895464665956312012-08-21T10:12:55.327+01:002012-08-21T10:12:55.327+01:00I wasn't having a go at you. The Swedes do ha...I wasn't having a go at you. The Swedes do have three classifications for rape, I believe; minor, ordinary and gross. It just boggles my mind a bit... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704342683198287523.post-39169571075421002212012-08-21T09:40:17.830+01:002012-08-21T09:40:17.830+01:00That's the only English translation I could fi...That's the only English translation I could find of the Swedish term, "minor" as opposed to "gross/major rape" which I suppose we would call "aggravated" involves violence, threats of violence, multiple attackers, etc. Sorry I don't speak Swedish myself. ASLEF shruggedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15188861221455845621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704342683198287523.post-28571011482465364552012-08-21T08:30:47.170+01:002012-08-21T08:30:47.170+01:00"minor" rape. what an insulting concept..."minor" rape. what an insulting concept.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com