Monday 1 October 2012

I’ve been checking back on the issue I mentioned last Wednesday of taking passengers up sidings when reversing and I’ve noticed a couple of things. Firstly OSN 101 came out at the end of last year which just goes to show that time flies by as you get older. Secondly we can only take passengers over shunt signals if we have permission from Wood Lane and if we’re closing the doors without going back to check that everybody has got off then we wouldn’t know that there was any reason to ask for it. The only place this wouldn’t apply is WOO where we get a green signal with an arrow giving us the direction rather than a shunt signal.

I suppose one way around this would be that every time one of us goes up a siding we call Wood Lane for permission to carry out the move on the off-chance there’s someone left on board however I think by the end of the first week the staff at Wood Lane would be going mental with all the extra calls and the time saved by not checking the trains would have been partially lost by the time spent waiting for the ok. Fun and games.

Last month I had over 5000 views, in fact in the last 12 hours I’ve had nearly 100, a large number of whom appear to have come here thanks to a mention on the excellent Diamond Geezer blog. Cheers, pal.

10 comments:

  1. Or, you know, they could change the rule, as they did on the other lines when they implemented this change

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  2. OSN 101 is a rule change that effects all lines, if we've got two sets of rules that contradict each other on two lines but not everywhere else then the unions should be jumping all over this.

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  3. What they are doing to you is what they've done to us on the Bakerloo since OSN101 came in. Arrive at Terminal station say all change three times whilst turning off and on the saloon lights three times. Shut doors and continue into sidings, walk through train and be at the mercy of any "over-carries" All of our trains reverse via Shunt sidings so we get upwards of ten reported over-carries per day. Thankfully only one has resulted in a LTI due to assault. The only time we go back and/or have assistance is when the train is scheduled to stable.

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    1. Reading OSN 101 it states clearlu that before we can carry out any move we have to have authorisation from the signaller, what it doesn’t allow is for us to take passengers into sidings if that move is part of the working timetable

      I don’t know how it’s being done on the Bakerloo or the Jubilee but they’re taking passengers in sidings when reversing it isn’t covered by OSN 101 and they’re leaving themselves open for trouble should anything go wrong. Guaranteed if a passenger gets injured it’s not going to be the signaller, the service controller or any of the management who are going to be joining the dole queue.

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    2. They get away with it by the fact that we don't know we take them past the shunt into the sidings, the OSN 101 comes in when we bring them back out again, having discovered them when walking through.

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    3. And as I said, if a passenger gets injured or complains then it’s the TOp who will be getting blamed for it. Or have management given you written assurances that they’ve okayed everything with ORR and will take full responsibility?

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  4. Why not still check the train?

    Under Health & Safety we are entitled to ensure WE are safe...therefore after carrying out whatever procedure the company wants us to do we then physically check the train from the platform by walking down it to make sure no ones on board! If we all did this the company would soon get the message.

    What they want to do is unsafe and we need to stop this happening

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    1. LUL's own "refusal to work..." procedure is pretty sraightforward, if you think something you are being asked to do is unsafe then you don't do it, not that it should come to that. After rereading OSN 101 Section 2 it is clear that this practise is not covered so the Unions up on the Bakerloo and the Jubilee should have been fighting this from the start and the TOps should have refused to accept the instruction.

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  5. "Turn the lights off"? And when someone trips up and it comes to that part of the Accident Report (EIRF) that says "Was area brightly lit?".

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  6. Yes that's the procedure, believe me we've been through trying to fight it. Anyway....
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/boy-found-walking-on-tube-tracks-to-collect-his-bike-kicks-off-major-safety-row-8204669.html

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